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Luc Ferrari is a pioneer in the history of electronic music. Without his work many of the common properties of today’s electronic music probably wouldn’t even exist. Born in Paris in 1929 he began composing in the late forties and attended the Darmstadt Summer School. He took piano lessons with Alfred Cortot, composition lessons with Arthur Honegger and musical analysis with Olivier Messiaen.

In 1954, Ferrari traveled to New York to meet Edgard Varese. He joined the Groupe de Musique Concrete in 1958 and collaborated with Pierre Schaeffer in setting up the Groupe de Recherches Musicales. Professor of Composition at the Rheinische Musikschule in Cologne, Luc Ferrari has won many prizes. The Karl Sczuka Prize in 1972 for Portrait-Spiel and in 1988 for Je me suis perdu, the Prix Italia in 1987 for Et si tout entiere maintenant and in 1991 for L’Escalier des aveugles just to mention a few.

In 1989 he was awarded the Grand Prix National du Ministere de la Culture, and the following year received the Koussevitzky Foundation Prize for Histoire du plaisir et de la desolation.

In 1982 he founded the electro-acoustic and radiophonic music association La Muse en Circuit, eventually resigning in 1994. In 1996 he created his home studio, “Atelier post-billig”.

He seems to be a mild, meditative man, with a wise smile. And he often laughs.
Tonight he played a 50 minute composition (where many parts seemed to be improvised) at Club Plastic in Milan, with Erik M. Before the concert the composer himself was very kind to answer a few questions.

I’ve always had the impression that there are many different streams, concepts, intuitions and thoughts throughout the whole body of your work, a sort of labyrinth inside the multiple ways of conceiving music and composition. Is there one that you feel more important than others to communicate to a listener? Is there an idea that has obsessed you more than others?

I’ve lived through many experiences up to this moment. I’ve crossed half a century of history and I started composing in the fifties. In all these years I’ve listened to many things, from Jazz or popular music to what we call today classical contemporary. I’ve always wanted to do different things and everytime I felt I was moving towards something that could be considered academic I would change the work and move in a different direction. I’ve always been very curious about what happened in the art scene and this sometimes moved me in directions that weren’t mine. I’m a composer of instrumental scores but I’ve also written electronic and Concrete works. I’ve always been interested in cinema and theatre, la mise en scene, the possibilities offered by the radio and what in the past were called environments and that today we call installations.
I’ve always been interested in things that weren’t directly related to my work: this is the reason why you can find many different ideas within my work, different styles, concepts, materials (smiles).

Musical photography is an idea that makes many different thoughts spring to mind. Do you consider a photographed sound a sort of map where one can find different directions?

Sounds exist within a psicological or social space, like the sound of everyday life… Back in the fifties I started considering things that, in those days, many didn’t consider interesting. This lead me to a music that was condsidered easy to make, while I was working within a music that could evoke images for the imagination (smiles). Music that could be considered anedoctical or narrative. All this can be translated into a autobiographical concept. When I compose a score I follow a chronological order, every composition can be read as a autobiography of a part of my own life.
I start recording sounds, as if the microphone was revealing to us what he’s listening to. Both the instrumental works and the electro-acoustic reveal details in which I’m only partially present. They are partial because I’m the one who’s listening but I’m also the one that’s writing.

Can a sound contain historical truth? Or is history, as a recorded sound, a mere convention?

I don’t consider sound related to history… because I prefer leaving this to historians. I’m not a sociologist because it isn’t my profession, I’m not a psychologist but simply a sensible person, that works with intuition. Through intuition I record some significative things, not for the specialist but for me and for many others listeners.

You once mentioned in an interview that songs don’t interest you a lot, that you trust a spoken voice, not a singing one. What is the difference?

No, it’s false (laughs). There’s a big difference between the two, in particular because of what a voice can carry. In a radio you can read, on a stage you’ll have to remember. My point of view is that a voice has to be spontaneous, it always has to improvise. When I use a voice in one of my works I try to use words besides the sound, for what they mean.

You are a composer that has produced television documentaries about other major composers (in particular about the music reheasal process by Olivier Messiaen) and your ‘Cycle des Souvenirs’ exhibition was hosted in Marseilles. Are these an important part of your working process as a composer?

I’m normally interested in listening. During all my experiences I’ve learnt how to listen well. I’m capable of listening professionally; but I also keep my eyes wide open, for everything that is visual. I’m impassioned, in an instictive way, of everything that is visual and I love combining the two things, sound and vision. I love working with pure sound and I also love working with images. This is why I don’t have any problem thinking of the two things in a relationship… and a non relationship. I can compose images as I compose music even if I’m not a image professional. I have the freedom to present images that I find interesting, with the freedom of an amateur and not of a professional.

Tonight you’re performing in a club with Erik M. How do you personally relate to the contemporary music and experimental scene? What do you enjoy listening to?

I like listening to different things and I receive many albums. There are works from the new generations that I like and some that I don’t. What interests me is how things are repeated, how the contemporary electronic scene has relations with the Concrete musique of the fifties. I find working with young musicians very interesting because today they have the possibility to improvise; for us, back then, it was impossible.

Many thanks go to Carla Chiti, Marco Biaggi and Nicola Guiducci. And many thanks obviously go to Luc and Brunhild Meyer-Ferrari for their patience and their kind attainability.

Text and Photos: Roberto Bagatti from Bacteria

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